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Post by smile on Mar 19, 2020 21:36:06 GMT -5
Title says it all. Obviously we don’t have 500g cakes in Canada but can we not do this as a mortar? I’d mortgage my house to buy them! Okay maybe not my house but surely a $30 price tag should provide enough of a profit margin to make one! Perhaps the composition of one surpasses the legal limits? If you don’t know what I’m talking about, check out this video: youtu.be/2rKq92ul9yUNishiki Kamuro fireworks are known for their fantastic hang time and are some of the most beloved in professional/public displays.
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Post by rosafi on Mar 20, 2020 13:52:47 GMT -5
Yung Fang makes a fantastic professional Nishiki Kamuro - I've seen it several times over the years, including in Montreal for Team Canada's performance in 2010 I think. There was some talk about Mystical getting some Yung Fang items approved for use in Canada, this was back when the Symposium was in Changsha, China, think 2013. It would seem that never came to fruition but I really was looking forward to having Nishiki's in our approved items
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Post by smile on Mar 20, 2020 14:10:56 GMT -5
Interesting to know that there were some talks about bringing this effect to the consumer market. I’m sure once folks see it they would be excited to buy it!
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Post by bigtop on Mar 20, 2020 15:51:18 GMT -5
Yung Feng does not make consumer fireworks. They are one of best display shell factories in China. They are a Taiwanese company that makes display shells by traditional Japanese shell manufacturing procedures.
Nishiki Kamuro translates to Brocade Sacred Room. A Nishiki Kamuro is a Brocade Crown which is a common Display shell Effect. The reason Nishiki Kamuros are very good (aside from the cool sounding name) is the companies that use the name are usually supplying a high quality Brocade Crown.
The problem with getting the same effect as the video is that USA consumer products can have 60 grams powder weight in a mortar shell. They can use 60 gram shells in 500 gram cakes. Canada allows 25 grams powder weight in a consumer mortar shell and 8 grams powder weight in a cake tube. So the stars can't be big enough to give the burn time you see in the video posted by Smile.
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Post by smile on Mar 20, 2020 16:51:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the information Bigtop!
Guess I won’t be holding my breath for anyone to produce a consumer Kamuro then. What consumer product (cake/mortar/other) do you think comes the closest to this effect?
While we’re talking composition details, is there any way for the average Canadian consumer to find out how much powder is in any given cake? I guess more powder doesn’t necessarily mean a bigger/brighter break but I’m sure it would give consumers an idea of why some cakes are more expensive than others.
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Post by bigtop on Mar 20, 2020 18:37:02 GMT -5
The company that Authorized a cake would be able to tell you the powder weight of the cake. I would give that info to customers to on request (I only import display fireworks). You could request that info from the companies that have authorized consumer fireworks but it would be up to them if they wanted to supply the info.
Also yes generally more powder = Better
When you see 200 gram and 500 gram cakes in the USA that only means they fit into that regulated load range. 200 gram cakes are any cake with 200 grams or less powder and 500 gram cakes are any cake with more than 200 grams up to 500 grams. The regulation requires that any cake with more than 200 grams and tubes with an ID greater than 1/2" have the tubes separated by at least 1/2" and all cakes with more than 200 grams require an attached base for stability.
Closest to this effect would be a long way off. You can't get the duration with consumer fireworks size stars. The closest would be a brocade cake firing a row at a time or many Brocade mortars fired in quickly one after the other to maintain the brocade effect in the sky. There are several consumer fireworks with the brocade effect.
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Post by smile on Mar 20, 2020 22:29:57 GMT -5
Bummer, thanks for this information. Super helpful! I guess a cake like this will be as close as we get to it then: youtu.be/--4wOMXDcLYEdit: looking at this video I see that competition actually provides the tube size. Is it width, length, height? Also, is the tube is circular would the length and height be the same?
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Post by bigtop on Mar 21, 2020 12:23:54 GMT -5
Tube size is inside diameter, outside diameter and length.
That is probably about as good a brocade consumer cake as you could get in Canada. I am assuming from the video that the gold in the brocade was not shown in the video very well. That is common for the silver to show well and the gold to be almost invisible in a fireworks video.
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Post by smile on Mar 21, 2020 14:27:10 GMT -5
Ah that makes sense! Thanks for that bigtop! As you may have seen in my other post, I’m becoming more of a skeptic of the manufacturer’s videos... Guess the only way to really know what it will look like is to fire it off. That said, I’d like to officially begin accepting donations!
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Post by smile on Mar 22, 2020 18:01:38 GMT -5
Tube size is inside diameter, outside diameter and length. That is probably about as good a brocade consumer cake as you could get in Canada. I am assuming from the video that the gold in the brocade was not shown in the video very well. That is common for the silver to show well and the gold to be almost invisible in a fireworks video. Does tube size matter when the variations in the larger cakes are so small? Say for example there is 8 grams in a 20mm tube and 8 grams in a 22mm tube. What would the difference in performance be (if there is any)?
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Post by bigtop on Mar 23, 2020 11:20:28 GMT -5
If the only difference was 2mm of tube diameter with construction and chemistry exactly the same the symmetry of the burst would be the affected slightly. This is because the cylindrical shape of the stars and powder in the load would be different. For instance a ball shell will burst round as long as there is sufficient burst charge because the stars and powder are arranged in the ball shell in that shape.
If the diameter of the tube was not the only difference there are too many variables to make any prediction of the difference in the effects.
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Post by smile on Mar 23, 2020 13:49:13 GMT -5
If the only difference was 2mm of tube diameter with construction and chemistry exactly the same the symmetry of the burst would be the affected slightly. This is because the cylindrical shape of the stars and powder in the load would be different. For instance a ball shell will burst round as long as there is sufficient burst charge because the stars and powder are arranged in the ball shell in that shape. If the diameter of the tube was not the only difference there are too many variables to make any prediction of the difference in the effects. Understood, thanks bigtop!
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