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Post by pyro on Mar 8, 2014 13:23:38 GMT -5
What do you guys think? I think it would be pretty cool if we started something like this in Ontario Canada.
From 1.4 consumer to 1.3 shells demos
Company products,accessories, everything to do with fireworks! I am in communications with the owner of Canadianpyro.ca to start figure things out!
What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 13:35:10 GMT -5
I am in!! Well depending where it is ! i cannot travel far anymore !
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Post by james on Mar 9, 2014 17:18:55 GMT -5
A show like this would be incredible, where would this event take place?
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Post by james on Mar 9, 2014 17:19:17 GMT -5
A show like this would be incredible, where would this event take place?
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Post by derek on Mar 10, 2014 7:23:17 GMT -5
I would be very interested in this convention.That would be great having all manufactors and vendors together. I wonder what kind of insurence would be needed lol
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Post by Lumadue on Mar 19, 2014 16:04:35 GMT -5
There was a Canadian Fireworks Association, I'm not sure what had happened that they did not continue that organization.
If it is your idea to start a new organization for this, It think it would be better for it to be national and not just provincial.
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Post by Pyro Boss on Mar 19, 2014 16:55:11 GMT -5
Yes, for sure it would be a national thing. Something this big would need a lot of time to organize. Maybe not this year but we will see.
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Post by Lumadue on Jul 31, 2014 17:28:35 GMT -5
Could have the pyros interested in coming each bring $100 in product or whatever they feel like bringing and add to the party. With 5 people that's $500.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 1, 2014 18:24:24 GMT -5
I would love to see a competition in ontario, even if it's an amateur consumer show.
If someone here would like to find a sponsor and location in ontario. It could easily be done. Just need the right parameters. 10 min show, $500. Only consumer. Ideally have a supervisor to help with using black match or ematches. Or if they wanted to hand fire it themselves. Everyone has to design it so no debris or effects land near the crowd. Have it set in 5 zones for each competitor set up their show for the day. Get 5 competitors, the cost of sponsor would be 2500 in product and supervisor could arrange for insurance of the event. As well, permit fees. So the sponsor would probably need 3500, to the event. They could plan it around a festival.
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Post by khogan on Aug 1, 2014 18:44:19 GMT -5
That would be great if we could arrange something like that, I was thinking just going out in the boonies but a sponsored event would be even better.
What kind of sponsor are you thinking about? I see a lot of shows around here are sponsored by banks and big corporations like Pizza Pizza. A fireworks company would be good as they could just donate the product and the cost would be less to them I imagine.
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Post by dbrodz on Aug 1, 2014 21:45:49 GMT -5
I would be down for either an a event in the boonies or a sponsored event. Only thing with sponsors is, whats in it for them? I could provide any Audio and Visual Tech (PA Speakers, laptops, tables, cameras, etc.) As for a location. I don't know. But I think it would be great to schedule an event like this at the end of each summer. That way it gives everyone something to look forward too and plan for!
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 2, 2014 13:28:39 GMT -5
I'm going to start looking into this. I want to find a more centred area, I'm all the way down in windsor.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 2, 2014 13:44:39 GMT -5
It's the same for any sponsor, basically you're paying for advertising. That's why I'm suggesting for a festival. There could be a activities and events for the day or even a concert. When it's late have the shows.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 2, 2014 13:56:17 GMT -5
I'm going to start planning this.
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Post by khogan on Aug 2, 2014 14:42:52 GMT -5
Sweet let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I can bring a my 32 queue firing system for us to use, and I have been thinking about getting some more modules. It has some limited scripting functionality that I have not tried yet because the software is pretty bad but they are working on some improvments. www.rfremotech.com/MB32Q.html
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 3, 2014 9:30:31 GMT -5
I would have more than enough equipment, i own a pyrodigital main frame with 40 modules, 2 cobra remotes with 12 modules and I can rent a 3rd and 40 modules from one of my pyros. But those competing might not use those 2 systems and bring their own. Then like 12 of those 18 cue systems that can be synced together.
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Post by khogan on Aug 3, 2014 10:57:49 GMT -5
Oh nice forget my system then. Do you have the scripted cobra remotes? I would love to get to try that out. I wanted to get a cobra so bad but with just shooting a show or 2 with an average budget of $150-$200 I just could not justify it.
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Post by Pyro Boss on Aug 3, 2014 16:04:20 GMT -5
I'm going to start planning this. Lumadue, I am well on my way to have a location for us to do this that's located pretty central. Did you have a location in mind? Let me know what you have planned already so we don't step on each other toes lol, that way we are not alone on planning something like this and have everyones input. What do you think about the Innisfil and or Barrie Ontario area. Its central and is around all major highways. We were looking at doing this next year, as this year is a little to late and will give us time to ask some companies for sponsorship, product etc.
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Post by Pyro Boss on Aug 3, 2014 16:07:52 GMT -5
Though out the next year we can also tell fireworks distributors to mention about the fireworks festival!
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 4, 2014 15:13:17 GMT -5
One of the ones I use are scripted, and the other pyros is as well.
Those would be interesting places, do thy have any festivals or large events that could handle a show? I was thinking more around caaledon or west of your area. Thinking of taking a small town and if they have a community days weekend. Add it to that. Mount forest has a "fireworks festival", but they only have one show the entire weekend by one company. I don't see how they call it a fireworks festival.
Need to decide on how to select on participants. Are we looking at an amateur show? Or from distributors?
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 4, 2014 15:14:53 GMT -5
Or do we have the 5 distributors tof canada o select a competitor.
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Post by khogan on Aug 4, 2014 16:36:40 GMT -5
There is the Canadian Pyrotechnic Council www.cpcinfo.ca/ but they seem more on the industry side and only businesses are members from what I can see, not individuals. I was hoping to keep this amateur as I thought the point of this was for us to all get together and shoot pyro, but if you can get all the distributors to put on a 1.3 show that would be better to watch. I was thinking it would be great if one company donates some product, or gives us a discount on product to use, then we could say that everything we used in these shows can be bought from "company" by anyone over 18. If we did this it would probably be better to have this event before Victoria day, so that the sponsor gets a chance to sell product. Kinda like the product demos they always have in the USA.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 4, 2014 17:51:31 GMT -5
CPC focuses on the grand scheme of everything, mostly on the federal level. They're not much for conventions.
I would very much like to keep this amateur, but the issue is how can anyone without a display license do it, as they would be at a disadvantage to those that are licensed who can use ematch or black match.
Or I can arrange for those competing to take the display and legal awareness course to take the course.
As one of those distributors I could offer a discounted price to those competing. But I would have to decline from participating, as being a 1.3g designer. And a conflict of interest as a judge for offering.
My biggest concern is liability for those that are not licensed can be a cause behind lack of insurance. This is something that would hold the idea back.
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Post by khogan on Aug 4, 2014 19:58:38 GMT -5
Good points, I think everyone participating could at least become a display assistant to ease the problems with insurance, that should not be too big of an issue. I think this would be a good motivator for anyone who has no certifications to go get some (myself included)
We could build teams with a display supervisor leading each team, I think we have at least 3-4 around here.
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Post by dbrodz on Aug 4, 2014 23:36:50 GMT -5
CPC focuses on the grand scheme of everything, mostly on the federal level. They're not much for conventions. I would very much like to keep this amateur, but the issue is how can anyone without a display license do it, as they would be at a disadvantage to those that are licensed who can use ematch or black match. Or I can arrange for those competing to take the display and legal awareness course to take the course. As one of those distributors I could offer a discounted price to those competing. But I would have to decline from participating, as being a 1.3g designer. And a conflict of interest as a judge for offering. My biggest concern is liability for those that are not licensed can be a cause behind lack of insurance. This is something that would hold the idea back. I think a competition with two classes should be in order. What if it was a two day event? 1st day is 1.4g shows only, 2nd day is open to 1.3g. Just as well, I think keeping it amateur is in all our interests. I would totally be down for this though. Anywhere from Kitchener to Barrie would be a great centralized location. What would we call this event? Northern Lights, Canadian Pyro Convention, Canadian Amateur Pyrotechnics Association (CAPA), Canadian Fire, Aurora Fireworks Festival, Northern Lights Fireworks Festival... Fun things to ponder.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 5, 2014 7:25:10 GMT -5
Depending on how heavily involved I get. I was thinking it being a 2 day event. 3 10 minutue shows in competition the first night. The secon night, have 2 in competition and then 1.3g show to finish it off.
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Post by markhampyro on Aug 6, 2014 19:21:42 GMT -5
Depending on how heavily involved I get. I was thinking it being a 2 day event. 3 10 minutue shows in competition the first night. The secon night, have 2 in competition and then 1.3g show to finish it off. Love the idea guys. I would keep each amateur show to 3 -5 mins if it's $500. I mean my finale would be $500 or more in an ideal scenario. So a limit would have to be set. As well, are we doing pyromusical or just a shoot? Are we allowed e matching? Are we allowed to fuse? Are we allowed to take cakes apart? Lots of rules need to be put in place. In my humble opinion, we set a $1500 limit. Any team who wants to join can. Each team responsible for their own budget but we would have to buy everything from one source. This way no one has an unfair advantage being able to buy more pyro from somewhere cheaper. Sponsors would take care of permits and insurance. Best team wins completion based on what I dunno yet.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 7, 2014 8:20:16 GMT -5
I think the issue if they were to pay for it themselves, there would have to be a purse for them to win after then. If you're investing your money, you should get something in return if you win. But on the side, depending on the budget given by sponsors, they could use the bursary they're given and if they decide to invest a little extra into it to win. Then by all means.
A full list of guidelines has to be assembled for this. But the legality of it for non-licensed people to use e-matches, or black match. Or on the side tampering with a product. It all comes back to insurance. I'm not sure about other's, but the majority cover the event and qualified persons and/or employees. As we would be drawing people who have just a background of firing in their backyard.
Or do we make one of the guidelines that, only those who have taken the Display Course can participate.
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Post by khogan on Aug 7, 2014 10:59:04 GMT -5
The more you bring it up the more I agree anyone participating should have taken the Display Course and have a Display Assistant Certification. Anyone who wants to participate should have plenty of time to get that done, and if you are on this forum it's probably something you want to do anyways. For budget, whatever the final $ value is, I agree it needs to be the same for each team so everything is fair. Ideally the sponsor would give us a good enough budget, or give us access to wholesale/discounted prices so $500 would go a lot further. I am not sure about others but I don't see myself putting up more than 100-200 dollars for this, and I would prefer to not have to put up anything and have a sponsor pay for product. Here are some of the rules for the spirit of 76 amateur competition, we could use these to get some ideas and alter them as needed (http://www.76fireworks.com/_lib/files/Official_Rules_2.pdf) - Put together a show using product in stock at Spirit of '76 in Columbia, MO
- Design your 4-7 minute show
- Designers may use up to 30 different items
- Designers may use up to $1200 worth of fireworks (at Gold piece price)
- The show must be electronically fired - no hand lighting will be allowed. Must limit firing system to 8 Cobra modules.
- Electronic match (or "e-match") will be provided if needed but will be limited to 500.
- Fireworks may not be altered in any way EXCEPT for the use of e-match as the initial source of ignition. Contestants
are not allowed to alter internal fusing in any way, nor may they take actions whose purpose is to change the speed of the
piece, alter the firing pattern, or halt firing prematurely.
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Post by Lumadue on Aug 7, 2014 12:05:51 GMT -5
If they do take the course, then a supervisor just needs to oversee them. Either pyro boss or myself. Or any of the other 20 that I work with, and any on this forum.
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