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Post by Pyro Boss on Jun 3, 2015 17:47:08 GMT -5
I like that idea. A get together to fire off some cakes and make some cool shows. The companies that I contacted (Three large companies that were super excited about the idea) never got back to me a second time.
So we may have to do something ourselves if we want to.
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Post by dbrodz on Jun 6, 2015 12:41:09 GMT -5
How about something in August? It would give us plenty of time to plan. Maybe we could have a BBQ, have some fun... Maybe everyone could bring some pyro, then divide it up in the form of a gift exchange lol. Who knows!
OR.. Everyone could bring some pyro then we divide everyone up into two teams each team has to put together a show.
Just something small and fun like that just to get the forum together would be great!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 13:51:52 GMT -5
I would be in...depending on where it is !!
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Post by markhampyro on Jun 6, 2015 18:27:28 GMT -5
We can get together and and light some sparklers. Woohoo. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 0:29:39 GMT -5
would love to see this in saskatchewan.... the closest thing we have is a fireworks competition for pro's near moosomin
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Post by khogan on Jun 7, 2015 9:02:29 GMT -5
We can get together and and light some sparklers. Woohoo. Lol I'll bring the snakes! |
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Post by dbrodz on Jun 7, 2015 9:03:27 GMT -5
I guess we'll just have to see where the highest concentration of forum members are and start there.
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Post by khogan on Jun 7, 2015 9:14:19 GMT -5
From what I have seen around here seems like a lot of us are in Ontario, in and around the GTA area.
Does anyone have a big enough property that we could do this, or know of anywhere like a campground that we could go to? What about a town that is fireworks friendly? In Mississauga we can only light off fireworks 2 days of the year, but I hear in other towns its fine any time.
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Post by papapyro on Jun 7, 2015 10:50:13 GMT -5
So there seems to be a lot of interest, would you all agree that the next step would be to create a committee. This would show some legitimacy to the industry leaders we are trying to involve. It would also help to gather sponsors; either for the event and/or individuals/teams. Talk is talk but actions need to start now if August is the goal. Lots off ideas, i would like to participate in such an event on a yearly basis.
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Post by dbrodz on Jun 7, 2015 11:16:31 GMT -5
Need help on this committee sign me up! I can provide advertising, design, plans and sketches, and ideas of course.
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Post by khogan on Jun 7, 2015 11:25:05 GMT -5
Personally I don't think a full on contest with sponsors is going to happen. Pyro Boss reached out to a lot of the Major companies and they showed some interest, but as he said above they did not get back a second time.
I like dbrodz idea from the last page, maybe we should try to just get together for a BBQ/hangout and light off some fireworks, we don't have to go so big right away.
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Post by papapyro on Jun 7, 2015 11:46:00 GMT -5
It doesn't have to start as a full on contest, (at least not the first year) so much as a kind of trade show/convention with some fun competition each night or just one night. The major companies might just need a little more prodding. The committee would show a solid a commitment that the group from this forum will see it through. Maybe they don't want to be the ones holding the bag. It may not happen this year as there is a lot of work to be done, but a committee can divide up all the tasks so no one person is doing all the work. Location/venue, insurance, do we allow the general public, or keep it pyros only. lots of opinions and logistics to work out. Just some thoughts but i also like the idea of a BBQ and fireworks...
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Post by dbrodz on Jun 7, 2015 12:05:27 GMT -5
Hey maybe we could get lbpyro to bbq. He owns Natural Born Smokers lol. I think we should assemble a little planning group just of this "smaller" get together, see how things go, then we have a whole year to talk about what we'd do different the next year.
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Post by papapyro on Jun 7, 2015 13:10:22 GMT -5
Gotta start somewhere!
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Post by huggyd on Oct 28, 2015 4:37:29 GMT -5
And what happened with this idea?
Find a place around the lake (lake Ontario or lake Erie) and no one should have a problem they light them off all the time, cottage area.
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Post by dbrodz on Oct 28, 2015 13:13:51 GMT -5
This thread is a year and a half old. Someone asks what happened to the idea we start talking about it again.... It's probably one of the longest threads here lol! Regardless, I originally mentioned this as a smaller get together, initially, but as pyros we tend to let our minds wander to more grandiose ideas and the whole idea got quickly turned into a fireworks competition and then literally blown out of perspective. People kind of forgot about it because the idea had become so big no one could host nor provide resources for the event. It's actually quite funny! I'm very open to still talking about this though! I've only met (in person) a fraction of the people in this community and would love to get together and light some stuff off!
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Post by huggyd on Jan 25, 2016 21:14:29 GMT -5
What are thinking with idea?
I like the idea, don't really think it needs to be like Montreal big but stay within the consumer level and have some fun.
Really the questions are.
-Where? need a location big enough for set up and spectators with the ability to change spots within said location if the wind changes and still be safe all around.
-What needs to happen with the 'paper work / legal' wise to even start something like this?
-What are the cost involved to set something like this up and who is going to flip the bill for it?
-The big bad question how does one handle the clean up (don't count on people coming back the next day to clean up)
-Is there enough interest out there it get enough people in a given area, how does one find this out?
As for location, does one contact a city, for example Burlington and ask if they are interested in hosting and have if they have any good\safe spots to use?
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Post by huggyd on Apr 25, 2020 7:10:59 GMT -5
I still like this idea..... just putting it out there......
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Post by pyrot on Apr 28, 2020 4:10:29 GMT -5
There was a national convention several years ago, that involved strictly 1.4g product. If I remember correctly, it was put on by the CNFA. I think it ended up being a 1 time thing though, for many various reasons. Due to Canada's strict regulations and guidelines, I don't think you could ever get insurance for something like this, and without insurance - well it is simply a no go!!! its too bad, as it would be great.
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Post by fireworks4u on May 13, 2020 21:29:42 GMT -5
There was a national convention several years ago, that involved strictly 1.4g product. If I remember correctly, it was put on by the CNFA. I think it ended up being a 1 time thing though, for many various reasons. Due to Canada's strict regulations and guidelines, I don't think you could ever get insurance for something like this, and without insurance - well it is simply a no go!!! its too bad, as it would be great. Insurance for what? I think even having a convention once a year where we could get together would be great |
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Post by pyrot on May 14, 2020 3:58:58 GMT -5
There was a national convention several years ago, that involved strictly 1.4g product. If I remember correctly, it was put on by the CNFA. I think it ended up being a 1 time thing though, for many various reasons. Due to Canada's strict regulations and guidelines, I don't think you could ever get insurance for something like this, and without insurance - well it is simply a no go!!! its too bad, as it would be great. Insurance for what? I think even having a convention once a year where we could get together would be great I'm not quite sure how to answer this, without coming off, well just mean. But I'll try. Firstly, Are you serious?  ?? Unless it is a small private family event on private property, you NEED insurance. That's just the way the fireworks industry, And Canadian regulations, and for that matter, the way society today, is. No municipality, county, province, or pretty much even any private land owner is going to let you hold any kind of fireworks event without holding some type of liability insurance. If the public is involved, then definitely !!!!! All it would take is one little incident, even something as simple as someone falling out of their lawnchair because of uneven ground, and that would be the end. Honestly, I wouldn't even want to take part, nor do I imagine most of us would, if it wasn't a proper permitted and insured event. Is a matter of fact, a good portion of us on here couldn't, as we are licensed, and one of the stipulations of our license is we will follow and adhere to ALL regulations. It doesn't matter if its all 1.4G product or not. Now if it was just a small group of guys/gals, meeting up on one of the participants private land, having a bit of a show, well thats one story. The minute you startopening it up to people and/or the public, the dynamics of everything changes. Lets just give a very minor, but highly probable example: Someone brings some product, that, maybe got a bit damp, or had a defect in it, and such product blows out instead of up, and a fire starts. The fire department ends up being required. So, who is going to pay the bill??? What if it started a structure fire ? Suddenly thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage can easily happen. Who is going to cover that. God forbid, worst case scenario, someone gets hurt. As soon as a lawyer gets involve you are instantly looking at at least a $100 000 lawsuit! Now, the likelyhood of any incident happening is extremely low, but that is what insurance is for. Now if you are having a "convention" of any type - well you are going to want vendors and such there. Beleive me, I doubt you would get any vendor to show up to an uninsured event. Honestly these days, you are taking a huge risk setting off fireworks anywhere without some type of insurance policy, or a very hefty bank account. Sorry for the blatant and long winded answer, but sad to say, that's just the way it is. Insurance is a fact of life theses days. |
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Post by fireworks4u on May 14, 2020 6:21:28 GMT -5
Insurance for what? I think even having a convention once a year where we could get together would be great I'm not quite sure how to answer this, without coming off, well just mean. But I'll try. Firstly, Are you serious? ?? Unless it is a small private family event on private property, you NEED insurance. That's just the way the fireworks industry, And Canadian regulations, and for that matter, the way society today, is. No municipality, county, province, or pretty much even any private land owner is going to let you hold any kind of fireworks event without holding some type of liability insurance. If the public is involved, then definitely !!!!! All it would take is one little incident, even something as simple as someone falling out of their lawnchair because of uneven ground, and that would be the end. Honestly, I wouldn't even want to take part, nor do I imagine most of us would, if it wasn't a proper permitted and insured event. Is a matter of fact, a good portion of us on here couldn't, as we are licensed, and one of the stipulations of our license is we will follow and adhere to ALL regulations. It doesn't matter if its all 1.4G product or not. Now if it was just a small group of guys/gals, meeting up on one of the participants private land, having a bit of a show, well thats one story. The minute you startopening it up to people and/or the public, the dynamics of everything changes. Lets just give a very minor, but highly probable example: Someone brings some product, that, maybe got a bit damp, or had a defect in it, and such product blows out instead of up, and a fire starts. The fire department ends up being required. So, who is going to pay the bill??? What if it started a structure fire ? Suddenly thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage can easily happen. Who is going to cover that. God forbid, worst case scenario, someone gets hurt. As soon as a lawyer gets involve you are instantly looking at at least a $100 000 lawsuit! Now, the likelyhood of any incident happening is extremely low, but that is what insurance is for. Now if you are having a "convention" of any type - well you are going to want vendors and such there. Beleive me, I doubt you would get any vendor to show up to an uninsured event. Honestly these days, you are taking a huge risk setting off fireworks anywhere without some type of insurance policy, or a very hefty bank account. Sorry for the blatant and long winded answer, but sad to say, that's just the way it is. Insurance is a fact of life theses days. How do I come off bot sounding rude? Lol I've been doing shows for almost 10 years lol I meant to have a convention to meet have sales or meetings why would you need insurance And if someone sued me they would be awfully disappointed....... We dont need to shoot fireworks But if you wanted to do fireworks Saskatchewan would be a great place. We are little easier going than the "east" Sorry if I came across "mean" lol |
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Post by dbrodz on May 17, 2020 3:24:35 GMT -5
Ah, yes, glad to see this thread still alive and kicking lol. Originally I don't think any of us knew what we wanted this to be back in the day (gosh 2014, was it that long ago!?). But now I agree with fireworks4u, something to get people together and hang out. Pyro in Canada is a close knit industry and fiercely competitive as I'm sure you all know; this forum is an anomaly. That said, it'd be nice to have an event where like minds can come together informally with no pretenses and no dangerous shenanigans, just people gathering around to talk about something they love. Like coin collectors or train spotters lol. We only get to see our friends in this industry a couple scarce times each year, very few of us do this full time as far as I know. So for those reasons I think it's still worth looking into. A competition on the other hand... well... let's save that idea for a rainy day.
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Post by pyrot on May 18, 2020 16:23:07 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure how to answer this, without coming off, well just mean. But I'll try. Firstly, Are you serious? ?? Unless it is a small private family event on private property, you NEED insurance. That's just the way the fireworks industry, And Canadian regulations, and for that matter, the way society today, is. No municipality, county, province, or pretty much even any private land owner is going to let you hold any kind of fireworks event without holding some type of liability insurance. If the public is involved, then definitely !!!!! All it would take is one little incident, even something as simple as someone falling out of their lawnchair because of uneven ground, and that would be the end. Honestly, I wouldn't even want to take part, nor do I imagine most of us would, if it wasn't a proper permitted and insured event. Is a matter of fact, a good portion of us on here couldn't, as we are licensed, and one of the stipulations of our license is we will follow and adhere to ALL regulations. It doesn't matter if its all 1.4G product or not. Now if it was just a small group of guys/gals, meeting up on one of the participants private land, having a bit of a show, well thats one story. The minute you startopening it up to people and/or the public, the dynamics of everything changes. Lets just give a very minor, but highly probable example: Someone brings some product, that, maybe got a bit damp, or had a defect in it, and such product blows out instead of up, and a fire starts. The fire department ends up being required. So, who is going to pay the bill??? What if it started a structure fire ? Suddenly thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage can easily happen. Who is going to cover that. God forbid, worst case scenario, someone gets hurt. As soon as a lawyer gets involve you are instantly looking at at least a $100 000 lawsuit! Now, the likelyhood of any incident happening is extremely low, but that is what insurance is for. Now if you are having a "convention" of any type - well you are going to want vendors and such there. Beleive me, I doubt you would get any vendor to show up to an uninsured event. Honestly these days, you are taking a huge risk setting off fireworks anywhere without some type of insurance policy, or a very hefty bank account. Sorry for the blatant and long winded answer, but sad to say, that's just the way it is. Insurance is a fact of life theses days. How do I come off bot sounding rude? Lol I've been doing shows for almost 10 years lol I meant to have a convention to meet have sales or meetings why would you need insurance And if someone sued me they would be awfully disappointed....... We dont need to shoot fireworks But if you wanted to do fireworks Saskatchewan would be a great place. We are little easier going than the "east" Sorry if I came across "mean" lol Nope, you didn't sound mean or rude at all !!! I'm glad you clarified that a bit, as the original topic was all about a convention with a small competition of some sort - which would involve shooting fireworks!!! Not sure just how well it would be attended if there wasn't actual fireworks involved, but it could be doable. LOL, I've been licensed for almost 20 years now !!!!!! - since 2002 ! LOL I have seen a lot of SH%t go down in that time, and even took a few years hiatus from fireworks to get away from it. Sorry, but there are a lot of big industry players here in Canada that believe and are pushing hard to have all fireworks banned from everyone but them !!! Its sad to say, and I think it has settled down lots - but trust me- that is part of the reason - a big part of the reason why the last Canadian fireworks forum got shut down !!!! Also a very big "behind the scenes" reason why the huge "Thunder in the Valley" show that was held in the Crowsnest pass every year also got shut down! And again back to the insurance issue, let me share a little story with you. The date was July 1 2003. In the town of Sylvan Lake, Alberta. I was a member of the volunteer group that put on the local fireworks 4-5 times a year. Canada Day was CRAZY !!! Sylvan lake would atract in upwards of 25 000 people (at the time the local population was just over 2000) people would go to the local gas stations, etc and buy fireworks and shoot them off in the street. Well, a person , located about 2.5 km's away from where we shot the big show, got hit with some fireworks debris - and tried to sue the town !!!!!!They were after $500 000, and just about got it. It took a couple of years of proving that there is now way the debris from our show could have made it that far. That, and shortly there after, the town cancelled all July 1 fireworks,(date was moved to 2nd weekend in june) and also banned all sales and possesion of 1.4g fireworks within town limits - otherwise they would have won the lawsuit !!!!!! And trust me, just because you have nothing, if somebody sues you for anything negligence or injury related - you will have less than nothing for the rest of your life, and your next of kin could even be on the hook for it. The rule - you can't get blood from a stone - doesn't apply to negligence and injury lawsuits. In those cases lawyers seem excell at getting blood from the stone LOL And yes, I want to move to Saskachewan so badly just because they seem to have the least strick fireworks reg's of all of Canada!!!!! |
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Post by toysareforboys on Sept 15, 2020 21:11:21 GMT -5
The Chief of Six Nations of the Grand River Reserve ( Ohsweken) absolutely loves fireworks and I'm sure would welcome an event there. They are exempt from all fireworks regulations so you can run what you brung, no insurance required  Lone Wolf Fireworks is on reserve and has some stuff we'd never get the chance to light off normally (best not leave the reserve with any). The Chief said for larger events they can use the racetrack as it's not in use due to Covid-19. 1hr from Toronto, 30 mins from Hamilton. Just an idea. -Jamie M. |
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Post by londonfan on Sept 16, 2020 5:45:03 GMT -5
I've been reading this thread since with no useful input. Finally a possible location! I'm definitely in for this. |
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Post by londonfan on Sept 16, 2020 5:46:22 GMT -5
LO Three question marks equals |
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Post by toysareforboys on Sept 16, 2020 8:35:41 GMT -5
I've been reading this thread since with no useful input. Finally a possible location! I'm definitely in for this. I sent their contact details to "Pyro Boss", hopefully he can put something together And neat to know about the three ? emoticon, very useful! -Jamie M. |
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Post by londonfan on Sept 17, 2020 5:51:37 GMT -5
So I spent the whole day at work thinking about this possibly happening maybe someday hopefully sooner than later.
Instead of a competition, It may be more fun(and successful) to start out simple.
If everyone who comes out were to bring their 3 favourite cakes (sub $20 - straight - angled). and their 3 favourite single shots, and maybe add in a couple of candles, we could simply hang out, have some bbq & chit chat, and the set the stash off when it gets dark. Part of the fun would also be in the preparation of the firing of the stash as a group.
It would take some co-operation from our suppliers/retailers for us to purchase what we need, but I think the ones that I deal with would help where they can, and probably participate.
I have taken part in many trade shows and competing companies tend to set aside the competition and have a good time for these kind of ideas.
If this kind of event were to happen successfully for a few years, it could stand a better chance of gaining manufacturer sponsorship and then there could maybe be a competition.
So??
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Post by bigtop on Sept 18, 2020 11:49:29 GMT -5
If you guys can organize this Meeting/Convention with at least 20 pyros I will donate 15 cases of 4" mines 18/1 and 5 cases of 3" mines 24/1 including freight to the trucking terminal in Toronto.
You guys would need to provide the mortars and firing system.
I would need a signed off AHJ form from a certified Display Supervisor.
All I ask in return is a video of the show with the mines.
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?? Unless it is a small private family event on private property, you NEED insurance. That's just the way the fireworks industry, And Canadian regulations, and for that matter, the way society today, is.
Lone Wolf Fireworks is on reserve and has some stuff we'd never get the chance to light off normally (best not leave the reserve with any). The Chief said for larger events they can use the racetrack as it's not in use due to Covid-19.
