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Post by toysareforboys on May 29, 2020 19:20:28 GMT -5
I was just getting into fireworks big then had to step away for 10 years to the day. Victoria Day was my first show in 10 years and it went off flawlessly! I used the FireFly Plus 2.0 with PowerPlate to fire the show. I didn't plan too well and ran out of cues with a bunch of fireworks left so I had to fuse the first three together which was a little messy, but after that everything had really great timing. As soon as the next course is to get my display fireworks license (assistant) I'll sign up for it (was already signed up for a few recently that got cancelled) and I already have three shows lined up to upgrade to supervisor. I'll be so great if I can get my license back again. I've got a massive show planned for July 1st including an insane finale using these: 11 x Glittering Brocades 9 x 100-Shot Perseids 7 x Epic Thunder 7 x Seismic Thunder 3 x Breaking Point 3 x 007 3 x Do Or Die After pre-testing Do or Die and being super impressed I might add more of them to the finale, space them out extra wide and shoot them in pairs of criss/cross possibly. Now that I can extend the ignition from the FireFly up to 5000ft the possibilities are endless My Victoria Day video (there's a sweet shot of the fireworks board at the end of the video, showing it shooting off during the finale): Thanks for reading and I hope to learn lots! -Jamie M.
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Post by londonfan on May 30, 2020 7:01:09 GMT -5
Welcome aboard. Nice intro and video!
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Post by Pyro Boss on May 30, 2020 9:21:02 GMT -5
Welcome to Canadian pyro! Nice show!
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Post by fireworks4u on May 30, 2020 14:47:50 GMT -5
I was just getting into fireworks big then had to step away for 10 years to the day. Victoria Day was my first show in 10 years and it went off flawlessly! I used the FireFly Plus 2.0 with PowerPlate to fire the show. I didn't plan too well and ran out of cues with a bunch of fireworks left so I had to fuse the first three together which was a little messy, but after that everything had really great timing. As soon as the next course is to get my display fireworks license (assistant) I'll sign up for it (was already signed up for a few recently that got cancelled) and I already have three shows lined up to upgrade to supervisor. I'll be so great if I can get my license back again. I've got a massive show planned for July 1st including an insane finale using these: 11 x Glittering Brocades 9 x 100-Shot Perseids 7 x Epic Thunder 7 x Seismic Thunder 3 x Breaking Point 3 x 007 3 x Do Or Die After pre-testing Do or Die and being super impressed I might add more of them to the finale, space them out extra wide and shoot them in pairs of criss/cross possibly. Now that I can extend the ignition from the FireFly up to 5000ft the possibilities are endless My Victoria Day video (there's a sweet shot of the fireworks board at the end of the video, showing it shooting off during the finale): Thanks for reading and I hope to learn lots! -Jamie M. Thanks for posting
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Post by smile on Jul 22, 2020 20:26:20 GMT -5
Love that you have a list of the fireworks shot AND the angles you used to shoot them. I’m going to try angling my next year. I thought spacing them out would be enough but they still seem to overlap. Amazing show—can’t wait to see the one you shot on July 1st.
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Post by toysareforboys on Jul 23, 2020 18:19:35 GMT -5
Love that you have a list of the fireworks shot AND the angles you used to shoot them. I’m going to try angling my next year. I thought spacing them out would be enough but they still seem to overlap. Amazing show—can’t wait to see the one you shot on July 1st. Thanks! I had a HUGE criss/cross setup for July 1st but due to no rain in a month and having to move to a location with close trees I had to completely kill the criss cross plus reduce how many fireworks I could use Here is my July 1st show, if you need the cue list let me know: I just got my display firework license (assistant) and my pyro license so I've bought a ton of concussion powder and J-Tek ematches and have cooked up a ton of (ideas) for fun stuff for Labour Day (Mon, Sept 7) including a bunch of display (professional) fireworks, just waiting on permits. -Jamie M.
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Post by smile on Jul 24, 2020 14:33:36 GMT -5
Nice! That do or die section and finale was wicked! Would love to see the set list when you get some time. Thanks!
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Post by toysareforboys on Jul 24, 2020 23:15:04 GMT -5
Nice! That do or die section and finale was wicked! Would love to see the set list when you get some time. Thanks! Yeah, I didn't know Do or Die was so insane, I should have saved it for the some part of the finale (or maybe the end! gotta love glittering brocades though)! I have TONS of Doe or Die cakes for Monday Sept 7th and I'll be doing a lot of criss/cross with them, 80ft wide! Should look super awesome I'll see if I can dig up the list, got a small show Saturday evening so probably won't be able to post it until next week. -Jamie M.
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Post by smile on Jul 25, 2020 20:51:36 GMT -5
That’s going to look crazy haha. Sounds good looking forward to it!
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Post by toysareforboys on Jul 26, 2020 4:31:34 GMT -5
New 7 shot BEM cakes, 911, Royal Burst, Blinking Waterfall, Spring Garden, Tornado and 36 shot fast paced Split Comets cake:
-Jamie M.
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Post by londonfan on Jul 26, 2020 8:05:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the video! That's now the second video of Split Comets to be posted and I'm really sitting on the fence. The colours are great, but I much prefer the crossettes in Hay Wire. I also like the mixed colour firing of Haywire as opposed to the single colour. I think it would look really cool it the colours were alternated within the fan. As much as I was excited to see a Split Comets, I'm thinking I would rather spend a bit more and angle 2 Hay Wires.(lots more $$ and fire 3 ) This was the first video of 911 and Spring Garden that I remember seeing. I think that they will both be on next years list.
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Post by toysareforboys on Jul 26, 2020 14:16:48 GMT -5
I think it would look really cool it the colours were alternated within the fan. As much as I was excited to see a Split Comets, I'm thinking I would rather spend a bit more and angle 2 Hay Wires.(lots more $$ and fire 3 ) This was the first video of 911 and Spring Garden that I remember seeing. I think that they will both be on next years list. Just alternating the red/green with each shot, or you'd like to see more colors in it in general? Haywire is an awesome cake no doubt, you'd probably have to do three, one straight up and left/right and +/- 15 degrees, then it should fill out real nice. If you could time them 0.33 seconds apart you could get a nice fan effect too (so says my video editing software). I'm going to try and be first out with videos of new fireworks -Jamie M.
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Post by londonfan on Jul 27, 2020 5:32:23 GMT -5
I am always a fan of more colours, but I always think it would be better if they would alternate the colours within the fan. Even many standard vertical cakes would look great with more alternating of colours. Many 16 shot cakes with different colours shoot 1111, 2222, 3333,123crackle. Could it really cost that much more to load them 123crackle, repeat? If I was a pyro designer...
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Post by pyrot on Aug 15, 2020 3:28:58 GMT -5
Like the vid, and the way you showed the product that was being fired. As for your hopeful up and coming shoot, I hate to say it, but don't get your hopes up too high. I've played that game many many times in my life. Fire departments don't like to issue permits for small shows. You pretty much need a full on public event sponsored by the community, or have to be on some remote private property where the possibility of anyone other than invited participants can get even remotely close. I understand their point, as I have been indirectly involved in an incident where someone tried to sue the town, for people setting off 1.4g product while our show was going on. It's a liability issue for them, no matter how much insurance you happen to carry. Honestly, being good friends with the local mayor most likely isn;t going to help you. I would suggest becoming good friends with your local AHJ. They are much easier to get permits from, when they know you personally!!!(another bit of personal experience there)
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Post by toysareforboys on Aug 24, 2020 13:47:39 GMT -5
ERD/nrcan says they want me to submit a sample of the EMPTY cake/board for certification before AN END USER i.e. (not me) can attach products to it. So the way I'd have to design it is as an empty board/cake then the end user clips in the fireworks/assembles it (I'd design a clip in mount for those square plastic bases that come on the single shot mortars). Sounds like the end user would have to install their own Talons (to quote the ERD "as the firework was never designed/approved to be sold with a Talon attached to it") but that's pretty easy and easy enough to plug into the firework ignition controller.
Just to be clear, ERD/nrcan has NOT approved this product/project.
-Jamie M.
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Post by Aussie on Aug 24, 2020 15:31:33 GMT -5
I’m glad they have set you on the right path
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Post by toysareforboys on Sept 4, 2020 21:57:47 GMT -5
When the ERD tells you "you're not allowed to sell fireworks" what the heck do they mean? When I quote/invoice a show I usually have a detailed list of the fireworks, add xxx on top of those for my labour = total price. The way the ERD is talking it sounds like I'd have to have my customer buy the fireworks from a supplier (i.e. rocket/supernova/maxpower) then I just wire them up for the show? Weird.
-Jamie M.
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Post by toysareforboys on Sept 6, 2020 22:38:44 GMT -5
First board done, 3 to go! The mortars just push onto the pucks and once you push them down they become attached SUPER solid (no glue required). You can pick up the entire board by any one of the fireworks and it won't budge. You can even pick up the entire board by the starshell at the end! If they change the design of the base or if you want to use different size mortars or different brands you can just swap out the pucks for ones that work with your mortars. Flawless. The fact that ERD said I would have to send it in for approval before lending it out to anyone AND get BEM to print out new instructions (which also have to be authorized) on how to attach the mortars to the board (um, lol?) is absurd, such a simple device, so simple to use, insane. When fully assembled there will be four boards total and they can pivot on axles at each end to adjust the angles of the fireworks. Eventually it will be motorized so you can control the angles with your cell phone over wifi (ESP32). You can even change the angles mid show, so if you want all the main ones vertical but want the finale to be wide when it gets to the finale it'll almost instantly change the angles to fan. When finished there will be 16 "speaker jacks" on each side of it that you can use to plug in Talons or ematches and then upload a firing timing script with your cell phone over wifi. There will also be an input jack you can connect to your cue firing equipment (cobra, firefly, etc.) and it can even piggyback off of another firework/cue so technically it doesn't even use one on your controller! There is also an output jack you can connect to another rack to start it after the first one finishes. Emergency stop input/output (can also emergency stop with your phone), ignition lock with key with off/test/arm modes and you can run a full test in test mode which will light up LED's for each firework exactly when they would fire in the script. It also has a simple two button wireless remote control (for people without cell phones, lol). If everything goes smooth with the electronics tomorrow I should be able to light it off in the evening (found a place I can light off fireworks 24/7/365, woot!) and I'll be sure to have all my cameras rolling. Should be a killer setup for one shot mortars. -Jamie M.
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Post by Aussie on Sept 7, 2020 8:41:41 GMT -5
“Killer setup” Interesting choice of words
What happens when the anchors shrink due to age and Product falls off due to vibration and fire towards the crowd during a show?
Have you come across zero loose plastic bases that the tube hasn’t needed to be reglued back down?
The ERD shut your idea down for a reason, and yet now your back trying to get our approval, you won’t. It’s untested, unproven, and quite frankly, selling them to unsuspecting customers is scary, most of the time they don’t think of anything else other than find the fuse and let rip, They will blindly drop this in the field not thinking of what could be, but I bet everyone of them know how to dial a lawyer.
We all know that one guy that builds a contraption for his fireworks shows, sometime it fails, sometimes he gets lucky, Your now “that guy” we all now know.
if you weren’t selling these and using them on your own shows then you’d be cover by your liability show insurance. If your selling them then everything falls on you.
This is a bad idea trying to sell them, use them yourself sure, if you have the insurance.
Or leave it to the testers up at CERL to tell you what problems a few of us can already see. Maybe you’ll listen to them.
Please, STOP
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Post by toysareforboys on Sept 7, 2020 9:30:59 GMT -5
What happens when the anchors shrink due to age and Product falls off due to vibration and fire towards the crowd during a show? This is just a prototype setup. The pucks will be 3D printed in the final design (these were just rough cut with a hole saw). Because of the way the pucks mount I could put a microswitch on the top of the puck so if you don't have a firework pushed down good enough, or one comes loose during the show it would disable/emergency stop the board. Have you come across zero loose plastic bases that the tube hasn’t needed to be reglued back down? Interesting. You mean like they forgot to put glue in the base at the factory? I have not seen any of those yet, perhaps quality control at BEM is better than at some other places, but something I'll check before I light it off, thanks. That would mess up my microswitch idea, if the firework fell off but the base remained on the puck, freaky. In my original design it would have been impossible for a firework to move/fall off/point at the crowd, etc. Even if they forgot to glue it at the factory it wouldn't have mattered at all, but ERD said my "rack" couldn't cover up the instructions label or the name of the firework. Because BEM puts the instructions right at the very top of the tube there was no way for me to make the original idea work They will blindly drop this in the field not thinking of what could be ERD said it would have to be "assembled at the place of firing", i.e. have the mortars pushed onto the pucks, talons attached, plugged in, etc. Can't travel with it "assembled" so there shouldn't be much opportunity to drop it but it's of course a possibility. Or leave it to the testers up at CERL to tell you what problems a few of us can already see. Can't wait to see them test it I appreciate your feedback. -Jamie M.
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Post by londonfan on Sept 7, 2020 13:28:36 GMT -5
Hi Jamie; I had to pause for a few minutes to mentally review this design idea.
I still love that you are trying to develop something that will allow the fast, safe, and easy mounting of single shots into a rig that will allow simple and safe remote firing and adjustment.
My problem is that you seem to be playing a bit loose with the safe part.
I am not a trained professional, but I do agree with every one of Aussie's points. I have seen so many poorly glued mortors over the years that I have spent the last few years inspecting the base of every mortor I purchase, and re-gluing the tube to the base on probably 40% of them. I did have one come loose many years ago and have been mindful since. If you look at the design of my mortor boards in the post that I created called rigs you will see that my boards rely on a solid mount between the base and the tube. I have also found a few cracked ones that I have filled with epoxy to make them strong enough.
Your design is basically using the Lego principle to hold the mortors in place. My 3 year old Grand niece blows a Lego tower to pieces in seconds. I bet the pounding vibrations of the first 8 mortors will be more than enough to push # 9 loose.(no matter how they are made) One loose shot is all it takes for disaster.
Your idea is also relying on the end user being responsible and careful. That is not often the case.
I know nothing of the ERD regulations concerning this, and I know even less about CERL, but I do know that the advice that you are being given by others here is sound.
As one of your only supporters on the forum concerning this endeavor, I think that I have to agree with Aussie that you should just stop. You had an interesting idea that the regulating body did not approve of. Your revised idea does not look save enough for proto-type review. I do honestly fear that testing this design may be dangerous.
I think you should shelve this one.
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Post by Aussie on Sept 7, 2020 15:33:39 GMT -5
That’s much more diplomatic a response than mine,
I agree with London, ideas are great, but friction locks have always failed over time simply from use and wear.
Never stop trying to “better” the wheel. But some concepts only come to fruition after the look and design has changed 50 times.
Look where we are with color saturation and compositions in today’s fireworks.
A lot different than what it was 30 years ago, even 10 years ago
I remember working on the Sydney Barbour bridge back in the 90’s, nearly all the tech has changed since then.
If your dead set on this design, it needs improvement.
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Post by bigtop on Sept 8, 2020 17:08:29 GMT -5
To add some clarity on the regulations here is section 358 of the Explosives regulations.
358 (1) When using consumer fireworks, a user must follow the instructions of the person who obtained their authorization. If there are no such instructions, the fireworks must not be used.
If you are selling something that directs the user to use the fireworks in a different way it is in conflict with this regulation.
This is why the ERD said BEM would have to issue new instructions and have them authorized.
As for the comment "When the ERD tells you "you're not allowed to sell fireworks" what the heck do they mean?" I am sure you have not got the information correct. Anyone over the age of 18 can sell consumer fireworks in Canada. I would guess that the comment had something to do with selling unauthorized fireworks which is what your setup would be if you attached the tube items to it. It is because by mounting the fireworks on the device and/or attaching talons you have modified the firework and changed it so it does not match the the drawings and instructions that are part of the authorization.
Aussie and London Fan commented on the failings of friction fit and I agree with them. You should also consider that the bases are made from a fairly brittle plastic. There is a possibility that if you crack a base while seating it on the puck the high pressure gasses from the lift charge could launch the whole tube and not send the shell as high or in the direction that it should.
Your technical input on this project shows a fairly good level of ability. The problem is that there are a number of things that can go wrong with fireworks that might not be obvious. That is why the ERD is strict about firework design and construction.
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Post by pyrot on Sept 19, 2020 23:11:13 GMT -5
Agreed with the rest. i have seen, and delt with so many plastic bases that are loose, broken, or have fallen off in transit !!!!!! I never trust or use them !!!! My single shot racks all consist of a 2x8 or 2x10 board and pipe strapping to hold the tubes.
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Post by pyrot on Sept 27, 2020 19:10:52 GMT -5
Just a little update FYI. 2 nights ago, I shot a small show consisting of 12 cakes, 30 various "air bombs" and 14 single shots. Of the 14 single shots, 4 had loose bases,and when I say loose, I mean they fell off when the mortar tube was picked up. 3 had broken bases. So that right there is %50 of them with bases that would be un-useable in your system the way it sits. This was product that was ordered and delivered last spring, so it's not like it was old or anything. Morale of the story - DON'T TRUST THE PLASTIC BASES ON MORTAR TUBES!
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