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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 5, 2016 16:18:34 GMT -5
Here is some video from no one less then our wonderful fed's on a safety video: link
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Post by khogan on Dec 5, 2016 16:26:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. That is interesting, I have not bought fireworks that many times but I have never been offered safety instructions when I did.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 5, 2016 17:49:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. That is interesting, I have not bought fireworks that many times but I have never been offered safety instructions when I did. Then the retailer has not done there due diligence and can be in big poop by ERD if they don't follow the rules. Here is Mysticals web site, check the bottom of page there is a Safety button to click on on there page: link
Many other outfits have a safety page on there main page and so I don't advertise for no one I will let you web surf that info. |
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Post by huggyd on Dec 6, 2016 15:02:31 GMT -5
good find, pyrotechsupply
Ok will obviously, what should be happening, isn't
Is there a real solution?
Is this even that much of a problem, period?
Generally, how are firework accidents even looked upon? Is it the person takes the grunt if it, or the situation that was let to happen?
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 6, 2016 17:19:45 GMT -5
good find, pyrotechsupply Ok will obviously, what should be happening, isn't Is there a real solution? Is this even that much of a problem, period? Generally, how are firework accidents even looked upon? Is it the person takes the grunt if it, or the situation that was let to happen? Thanks Huggyd! Real solution is you could report them to ERD and let them take there lumps or (not be a di*k) and tell there owner or manager (Not store staff) that they are failing to comply with federal law and regulation and point them in the right direction. Truth be told I was in Giant Tiger and they had fireworks not in box sets, just loose fireworks laying all over a shelf. Within reach of kids / public etc. I asked for the manager and informed him of the regulation so he does not get into hot water but he could care less and No one had a clue what the law was. He thanked me and said he would try to fix this issue right away (no I don't believe him). Soooooooooooo sometimes telling people helps and sometimes not. If I wanted to I could report them but I have been in store since and they no longer sell fireworks or have none out on store shelves for the little kiddies to light in the store anymore........ Fireworks accidents are reported to ERD and they will investigate but again if not reported by "ANYONE" (Key word anyone) then it never happened. ERD places charges etc on whom is responsible etc after the fact. Also in cases the Fire Dept also might have a part in this as well as local law enforcement depending on the situation and the damages incurred. |
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Post by khogan on Dec 6, 2016 17:38:11 GMT -5
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 6, 2016 20:12:01 GMT -5
And to think that is not all of the reported injuries and then there is the other set - the ones not reported. That is why many stats mean well not much, they are some what of a useful tool in guessing at a trend but not very accurate at the best of times. It is interesting to read just the same. If you were to include India and China (only) and compare fireworks injuries the numbers would sky rocket (no pun intended) There is also one huge difference in the USA, China and India Vs Canada (Enter drum roll) They don't have ERD regulating them. In India a regular person can buy a 5" shell and they do, place a mortar on the ground infront of there house (Who cares about overhead anything) droips the shell into mortar like a basketball lights it and boom off it goes one way or the other... What could go wrong there??? USA allows many different types of fireworks for family stuff for example the 1 3/4 " or even 2" family re-loadable shell packs... here we call those Pro fireworks there it;s just go buy and shoot them no course no safety no nothing. Same goes for firecrackers and a multitude of other fireworks for family stuff. As for pro fireworks - they have an entire cook book of how to make stuff and you can there legally - here not so much. Pretty hard to compare injuries between countries and the fact the USA alone is 10 times larger in population so you must account for that also in the facts which would stand to reason 10 times the injuries at the very min. Never had so much fun with facts.... |
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Post by huggyd on Dec 8, 2016 5:10:17 GMT -5
Not sure who is going laugh at this. The same guy who had the issue with the small cake, also picked up some fireworks from Costco online and when they were delivered, they were left outside by his front door. I would assume the box would have to be marked, no?
So in summery a 'Mandatory' or non-mandatory safety course for consumer fireworks would not work, due to. -No overall interest -It would bring up a underground market -Kill the general retail store from selling them -The safety info is supposedly available, provided one take the initiative to read \ seek it out so no need for a course -More Government over reach, no one needs
anything missing?
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 8, 2016 8:01:05 GMT -5
Not sure who is going laugh at this. The same guy who had the issue with the small cake, also picked up some fireworks from Costco online and when they were delivered, they were left outside by his front door. I would assume the box would have to be marked, no?
So in summery a 'Mandatory' or non-mandatory safety course for consumer fireworks would not work, due to. -No overall interest -It would bring up a underground market -Kill the general retail store from selling them -The safety info is supposedly available, provided one take the initiative to read \ seek it out so no need for a course -More Government over reach, no one needs
anything missing?
Yup pretty much sums it up and no the box is not to be marked on the outside. Think about that one, so if I was shipping IDK expensive collectible coins worth big bucks I don;t want to announce what is in the box so it does not get stolen by: The guy at the parcel counter where I drop it off, the sorters in the back the delivery drivers, the security at facility, there management staff, any other tom dick or harry who might see the box with a shopping list printed on each one etc. So yeah bad idea. They have a vague manifest and that is how it should stay to keep others from having a shopping list. Also if your surprised about fireworks being ordered and left at the door you should ask someone who orders a firearm restricted or non and has it dumped off at there door and left there till someone opens the door or shows up and takes it one way or the other. So if you think that is bad with fireworks..... Just say'in |
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Post by khogan on Dec 8, 2016 12:47:30 GMT -5
What needs a signature and what doesn't always makes me scratch my head. I order a 2 dollar thing from ebay and I have to sign or go pick it up. Order a $500 piece of electronics and it's left on my doorstep. I guess its just based on how it was shipped?
Im still interested in the safty sheet you should get when buying fireworks. Is my experience normal that you don't get it? Whats everyone elses experience when buying consumer fireworks?
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Post by Grisom on Dec 8, 2016 23:54:29 GMT -5
Regarding safety sheets - I would say that 90% of main companies use them - of course the general stores and Canadian tire etc don't tend to have them . On most of the fireworks websites there are safety instructions . But reading and understanding is a whole different matter . ( I heard of one guy who thought you could actually hold any of Hands fireworks ie cakes , mortars , barrages etc in your Hands because it is named Hands . Another guy thought it would be a good idea to taste test the composition of an airbomb. - Yeah - you can't fix stupid ) |
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Post by Pyro Boss on Dec 9, 2016 9:52:24 GMT -5
huggyd do you have any good resources we could link to? We can ask Pyro Boss about settings up a safety page like we have the Canadian Consumer Fireworks page. I am not sure if anyone ends up on this site that is not already a big pyro fan but maybe some do and it could help. Every firework has instructions for lighting them off but sometimes they are generic. The little cakes can be dangerous, how did he set it up? I am guessing just sitting on the ground with no bracing of any kind? I try to avoid the little cakes all together but when I do use them I like to tape a few together to get a better base then attach them to a board. You guys let me know if you want a safety Link tab at the top, we can do whatever you guys like if it's good for Canadianpyro.ca and our members! Remember, you the members are what makes this forum and safety should really be pushed to the new Pyro's out there from our experienced Pyrotechnician's to our Back Yard Fireworks hobbyist's pro's. Light it up! |
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Post by khogan on Dec 9, 2016 15:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 9, 2016 19:34:57 GMT -5
Regarding safety sheets - I would say that 90% of main companies use them - of course the general stores and Canadian tire etc don't tend to have them . On most of the fireworks websites there are safety instructions . But reading and understanding is a whole different matter . ( I heard of one guy who thought you could actually hold any of Hands fireworks ie cakes , mortars , barrages etc in your Hands because it is named Hands . Another guy thought it would be a good idea to taste test the composition of an airbomb. - Yeah - you can't fix stupid ) <<<<<<<<<<<<Yes you can but there are laws about ventilating the stupid ones with lead! |
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 9, 2016 19:36:39 GMT -5
huggyd do you have any good resources we could link to? We can ask Pyro Boss about settings up a safety page like we have the Canadian Consumer Fireworks page. I am not sure if anyone ends up on this site that is not already a big pyro fan but maybe some do and it could help. Every firework has instructions for lighting them off but sometimes they are generic. The little cakes can be dangerous, how did he set it up? I am guessing just sitting on the ground with no bracing of any kind? I try to avoid the little cakes all together but when I do use them I like to tape a few together to get a better base then attach them to a board. You guys let me know if you want a safety Link tab at the top, we can do whatever you guys like if it's good for Canadianpyro.ca and our members! Remember, you the members are what makes this forum and safety should really be pushed to the new Pyro's out there from our experienced Pyrotechnician's to our Back Yard Fireworks hobbyist's pro's. Light it up! In Short yes! Why not make a tab for safety  Wont cost nothing to inform the less informed or unknown to some. Please make one PB |
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 9, 2016 19:37:32 GMT -5
Please add the ERD link I posted for starters please and thank you in advance. |
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Post by khogan on Dec 9, 2016 20:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 10, 2016 15:58:00 GMT -5
Flat surface is great but again that is bare min. I would tend to lean towards a stake in the ground and some tape around both or taping 2 or 3 cakes together so it does not flip on it's side and fire towards the neighbors house and all..... just say'in |
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 10, 2016 16:12:49 GMT -5
I would like to point out a few web sites but not sure what the legalities etc are of promoting other retailers on here?? Anyone? If none - then copy below, there are a few other retailers for example: Hands (AKA Lidu) Fireworks safety page: linkB.E.M. Fireworks Safety page: linkMystical Fireworks (link bottom of main page): linkBig Top Fireworks Safety page: linkRed Bomb Fireworks safety page: link
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Post by khogan on Dec 12, 2016 10:29:39 GMT -5
Hey pyrotechsupply we don't really have any rules about posting things from other Vendors so you can post anything you find.
I am going to go through the links, but if you see anything that stands out as really good information please let me know.
Ideally I want to have one source for the info, we can use all these sites as references but I think if we have a page that just contains a bunch of links to other sites people will not be bothered to look at it. I think we should compile the best info from these pages, combine it with our own knowledge and try to come up with somthing people will actually read.
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Post by huggyd on Dec 13, 2016 8:10:36 GMT -5
I will try and sit down at some point and type out a .doc that can be printed for fast ref. with some general go to safety stuff.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Dec 13, 2016 8:35:09 GMT -5
Hey pyrotechsupply we don't really have any rules about posting things from other Vendors so you can post anything you find. I am going to go through the links, but if you see anything that stands out as really good information please let me know. Ideally I want to have one source for the info, we can use all these sites as references but I think if we have a page that just contains a bunch of links to other sites people will not be bothered to look at it. I think we should compile the best info from these pages, combine it with our own knowledge and try to come up with somthing people will actually read. Sounds like a plan and what ever the MASTER list will be I will also post it on my web store info page also so that maybe just maybe someone reads it and does as it recommends. Good job all who have input to this. |
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