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Post by kooks on Oct 31, 2016 7:58:32 GMT -5
An unfortunate incident this past weekend involving fireworks in Bracebridge. The article says she was certified but didn't disclose how the accident actually happened. Since it was during the setup of the show, I would assume static electricity would be the culprit. Goes to show you that you can't be careful enough.
I hope and pray for a speedy recovery.
www.muskokatodaily.com/?p=25685
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Oct 31, 2016 17:28:12 GMT -5
Aww nuts. I agree with you - hope she is ok.
I guess till the investigation is done we can assume all sorts of things and I can point at tools and safety all day long but till the formal info comes out I also hope speedy recovery and all the best.
Hate hearing about this kind of crap happening.
Very sad.
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Post by Pyro Boss on Oct 31, 2016 17:35:13 GMT -5
Hope for a speedy recovery. But the whole story is just weird. It also mentions, well seems like it, that she has had injuries to her eyes Before? Maybe I am reading it Wrong? For the severity of injuries, must of have been shell maybe.
Hope we can somehow find out exactly what happened for us to learn by this unfortunate incident.
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Post by Aussie on Oct 31, 2016 21:56:29 GMT -5
I wish her a speedy recovery,
Fractures, and burns? Could a shell have fallen and functioned on the ground in front of her?
If it was in a mortar it would have put a hole right through her, but to burn and fracture, possibly unconfined ignition?
I have no information beyond the article, just my thoughts
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Post by Aussie on Oct 31, 2016 22:01:54 GMT -5
I'll see what my little birds have to say
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Post by kooks on Nov 1, 2016 9:33:29 GMT -5
You guys are absolutely right. This is all speculation. Until the investigation has concluded, we don't know what truly happened and to learn from this tragic mishap.
I will say that it is nice to see (from these posts), the possible catalysts of the accident based off of others experiences and knowledge. I have been on other forums that are not sensitive on these subjects.
Keep sharing your experiences guys.
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Post by Aussie on Nov 1, 2016 16:57:31 GMT -5
My spies are telling me it was an ematch failure
Unknown supplier but the remainder have been sent to the ERD for testing,
I really hope it wasn't the ones from eBay or Ali express
They are not authorized,
If they removed it from the shroud it would mean they ran an ematch into a leader without it being in the mortar or unshunted ematch ignited due to static friction, again out of the mortar, it's the only way fractures would occur,
Either that or an ematch functioned in a mine maybe I don't know
I don't know what went wrong but we'll know soon enough
My money (2 cents) is on user error,
Again all I know is that it was an ematch issue
All this is speculation, all I know is an ematch prematurely ignited
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 1, 2016 17:06:42 GMT -5
Let's see what the squares say and give folks the opportunity to give some solid info before we blame anyone or anything.
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Post by Aussie on Nov 2, 2016 6:46:15 GMT -5
I agree, like I said, ematches of an orange cable nature were sent to the ERD for testing after the accident
That is all that is confirmed
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Post by markhampyro on Nov 3, 2016 20:31:02 GMT -5
That's unfortunate. Hope she recovers.
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Post by felix on Nov 23, 2016 14:58:46 GMT -5
The current update is that the woman is improving, but she has a long way to go. She suffered severe damage to her eye, and will never see from it again. She has had two surgeries to her face, with two more planned for her sinus cavity. She also suffered a broken wrist.
As for the accident, more information is now available. I am going to tell you the reported facts, not the other information that in not official. The issue was during the ematching of a 5" aerial shell. The technician took off the protective cap and installed the ematch into the white ematch holder found on the shell. She took of the cap because the ematch would not fit into the ematch holder on the shell. The technician was ematching the shell in the mortar, and it ignited when she installed the ematch into the holder. This was the 4th shell she was ematching that day.
As reported by Aussie, the ERD has confiscated the 349 remaining ematches. But these were legal ematches, manufactured in China, and imported legally by a smaller supplier in Canada.
So basically it is not user error, its an unfortunate situation that can happen to any of us. Play safe boys and girls.
More details to follow.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 23, 2016 16:31:58 GMT -5
The current update is that the woman is improving, but she has a long way to go. She suffered severe damage to her eye, and will never see from it again. She has had two surgeries to her face, with two more planned for her sinus cavity. She also suffered a broken wrist. As for the accident, more information is now available. I am going to tell you the reported facts, not the other information that in not official. The issue was during the ematching of a 5" aerial shell. The technician took off the protective cap and installed the ematch into the white ematch holder found on the shell. She took of the cap because the ematch would not fit into the ematch holder on the shell. The technician was ematching the shell in the mortar, and it ignited when she installed the ematch into the holder. This was the 4th shell she was ematching that day. As reported by Aussie, the ERD has confiscated the 349 remaining ematches. But these were legal ematches, manufactured in China, and imported legally by a smaller supplier in Canada. So basically it is not user error, its an unfortunate situation that can happen to any of us. Play safe boys and girls. More details to follow. Bold =Mistake # 1 So correct me if I am wrong but if the shell was in mortar and it was being ematched in mortar how did she sustain the injuries she did unless she was hovering the business end of the mortar?? And if so then the tech doing the work is liable for the injuries this women sustained...... Are you sure this is fact? If so what poorly trained tech allows a passer by or assistant to stand in front of the business end of a mortar while loading? They should read the safety / loading of fireworks section. If this is all fact I hope this tech enjoys his retirement, I would not allow such recklessness at any show I was the Supervisor on. I sure hope there is missing information and I have this wrong. |
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Post by felix on Nov 24, 2016 7:43:29 GMT -5
My apologies. The technician and woman is the same thing.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 24, 2016 13:50:42 GMT -5
My apologies. The technician and woman is the same thing. Ohh crapo, that changes everything. But it still does not explain what she was doing with her head over the business end of the mortar. What a mess, I hope she recovers as fast as possible. |
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Post by felix on Nov 25, 2016 7:37:13 GMT -5
At no point did I say her head was over the end of the mortar. IF her head was over the mortar, she would be dead, especially with it being a 5" aerial shell.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 27, 2016 14:16:20 GMT -5
At no point did I say her head was over the end of the mortar. IF her head was over the mortar, she would be dead, especially with it being a 5" aerial shell. ok, so she got hit with what then? Did it flower pot in tube? Because if so she should have all sorts of leg injuries and or missing parts waist down. The only way she could sustain these kinds of injuries would be hovering the tube or in front of it and slightly to the side when it fired and glanced off her face, Again this is only speculation so until the squares comes back with a formal answer that is what it sounds like to me. |
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Post by Xplode on Nov 27, 2016 18:08:28 GMT -5
she might not have had her head over the tube enough to put a hole in it. It's possibly she just got grazed and that caused some fracturing. Plus the blast of the lift charge is pretty powerful in itself, you can definitely get some injuries from that, even if the shell itself doesn't make direct impact with you.
Hope she recovers ok.
As I always tell people I'm working with - ASSUME IT WILL IGNITE EVERY TIME YOU TOUCH IT.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 28, 2016 9:46:16 GMT -5
she might not have had her head over the tube enough to put a hole in it. It's possibly she just got grazed and that caused some fracturing. Plus the blast of the lift charge is pretty powerful in itself, you can definitely get some injuries from that, even if the shell itself doesn't make direct impact with you. Hope she recovers ok. As I always tell people I'm working with - ASSUME IT WILL IGNITE EVERY TIME YOU TOUCH IT. Well said! A loaded gun is a loaded gun 9mm or 310 mm the business end is the business end and as long as there is anything in it, it should be treated like holding your hunting rifle pointed PERIOD! the end! But still we all wish this poor Pyro Tech a speedy recovery and hope all will be well. |
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Post by Xplode on Nov 28, 2016 10:53:51 GMT -5
I know people who have had their very own close calls and not taken a shell directly, but still had burns and/or bruising. It happens faster than you think, and you'd be surprised how small of a firework can do some real damage too.. That's something always amazes me... I know a guy who took a chest hit from a single item off a cake. Tube diam was about 1", flying cardboard tube with clay plug. He was wearing a thick firemen's jacket, plus his usual shirt and such underneath. Left a bruise 6" across on his chest for 3 weeks. all kinds of ugly black and blue, with that nice yellow color all around it... HUUUUGE! From a small product...
You just have to respect everything on the field.
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Post by markhampyro on Nov 29, 2016 8:18:21 GMT -5
Hence why I question the need to hand light any show.
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 29, 2016 8:29:40 GMT -5
Hence why I question the need to hand light any show. Agreed ^^^^^^^^^ Only problem in this case was this was not a hand light show. The ones that are hand light usually because the budget does not allow for all the E-matches in it. All about the $$$$$ In an ideal world all shows would be 20K + and the crew would always be the same and have all the time in the world to set up, the fire chief lets you sign your own auth form, it would all be fired from some electronic means far away.... and I get to win the lottery on Friday! (Like how I slid that in there?? LOL) |
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Post by pyrobarbados on Nov 29, 2016 21:43:17 GMT -5
Hence why I question the need to hand light any show. Agreed ^^^^^^^^^ Only problem in this case was this was not a hand light show. The ones that are hand light usually because the budget does not allow for all the E-matches in it. All about the $$$$$ In an ideal world all shows would be 20K + and the crew would always be the same and have all the time in the world to set up, the fire chief lets you sign your own auth form, it would all be fired from some electronic means far away.... and I get to win the lottery on Friday! (Like how I slid that in there?? LOL) Having read the forum on this unfortunate accident, I'm having a difficult time believing this was not operator error. I have been a Fireworks supervisor since 1990, fired and produced well over 1000 displays and squibbed (ematched) probably close to 250,000 shells if not more...I have cut match and squibbed shells long before quick connects came on the market, long before shrouds covered the match and Chinese shells were not authorized for sale in Canada. My first observation was they must have been testing and a shell went up...(it happens) then I hear that it's a faulty igniter...hmmm...I'm not here to criticize, but it would have been dark by 5:45-6pm, why was she only installing her 4th shell at 430pm...seems odd. That time of the year, I know I would be set-up and performing my checks. The most unfortunate part is you can become a fireworks supervisor after assisting on 3 displays...I've not come across anyone yet that I would send out on there own after assisting on 3 shows, but it happens... Just my 2cents, without getting into a whole barrage (no pun) of things, I wish her a full and speedy recovery. I'm a firm believer in getting to the site early, get it set up and double and triple check the installation... PB |
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Post by pyrotechsupply on Nov 30, 2016 14:45:57 GMT -5
Agreed ^^^^^^^^^ Only problem in this case was this was not a hand light show. The ones that are hand light usually because the budget does not allow for all the E-matches in it. All about the $$$$$ In an ideal world all shows would be 20K + and the crew would always be the same and have all the time in the world to set up, the fire chief lets you sign your own auth form, it would all be fired from some electronic means far away.... and I get to win the lottery on Friday! (Like how I slid that in there?? LOL) Having read the forum on this unfortunate accident, I'm having a difficult time believing this was not operator error. I have been a Fireworks supervisor since 1990, fired and produced well over 1000 displays and squibbed (ematched) probably close to 250,000 shells if not more...I have cut match and squibbed shells long before quick connects came on the market, long before shrouds covered the match and Chinese shells were not authorized for sale in Canada. My first observation was they must have been testing and a shell went up...(it happens) then I hear that it's a faulty igniter...hmmm...I'm not here to criticize, but it would have been dark by 5:45-6pm, why was she only installing her 4th shell at 430pm...seems odd. That time of the year, I know I would be set-up and performing my checks. The most unfortunate part is you can become a fireworks supervisor after assisting on 3 displays...I've not come across anyone yet that I would send out on there own after assisting on 3 shows, but it happens... Just my 2cents, without getting into a whole barrage (no pun) of things, I wish her a full and speedy recovery. I'm a firm believer in getting to the site early, get it set up and double and triple check the installation... PB 110% in agreement with what you just said! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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