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Post by londonfan on Aug 17, 2019 11:28:12 GMT -5
I received some consumer grade e-matches with a cheap Chinese remote system this summer. (thanks to my nephew/assistant)
I didn't use them because I was unsure how, and I am familiar with, and have Talons.
Which do you guys prefer? Talon or consumer e-match?
What is the best way to "install" on the fuse?
Who sells e-match in Canada? I have only seen on-line Chinese sellers.
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Post by huggyd on Aug 17, 2019 11:46:24 GMT -5
Mystical, Air Magic, etc... I believe you need a lic. to buy e-matches and I am not aware of "consumer grade e-matches" but for how to use them, well basically on consumer cakes use masking tape and tape it to the side of fuse making sure the tip of the e-match is on the fuse, I have seen people fold the fuse over the tip and tape it so there is good contact. Then the wires go to the controller or nail board or 9v battery. Works really no different then the Talon, the Talon is just a little wire that heats up and sets the fuse off, the e-match is more of a little 'pop'(fire) that's sets the fuse off. (bad way to explain it)
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Post by londonfan on Aug 18, 2019 12:24:23 GMT -5
To be more clear...  This is the remote system that my nephew ordered from China for me. It came with 12 e-matches with 1ft. leads. They can be ordered from China, but I would rather deal Canadian. I have the RC-150 remote from Rocket as well. The remotes both worked well, except that the 4 Sidewinders that were used on the cheap system did not fire with Talons. Other small cakes fired no problem. I have been digging through old threads and found some rather heated discussion (from 2016) concerning the legality of e-matches and fuse to the consumer market. These seem more reliable (in functional description) than talons, but mystery seems to loom over them. They seem to look a lot like the MJG Firewire Initiators, with orange wire and a different plastic cap. So... Who know what about these "consumer e-matches"? |
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Post by Aussie on Aug 18, 2019 14:08:51 GMT -5
In Canada, unless you are a licensed shooter through the ERD you should only be using Talons
Canadian retailers should be requesting an auth to purchase or a mag # if they are selling to you
There are consumer e matches in the USA designed for the retail market but I’m unaware if they are legal up here
The Chinese ematches sold through eBay, Ali express etc are not authorized products.
Dave
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Post by bigtop on Aug 22, 2019 12:40:36 GMT -5
A question for Londonfan. Why is the shroud (plastic cap) on the Ematch pulled back off of the Ematch head?
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Post by londonfan on Aug 23, 2019 5:43:15 GMT -5
I pulled it back for the picture to clearly show what I'm asking about.
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Post by bigtop on Aug 23, 2019 9:46:53 GMT -5
I am happy to hear that the reason was to show the details of the Ematch. I just asked because I know lots of supervisors were taught to remove the shroud. I was at a Display Fireworks course where the guy from the company providing the demonstration (Back when the ERD Inspectors taught the course) picked up an Ematch and said "the first thing you do is pull back the shroud". The following year I brought this procedure up in open discussion at a course and the ERD inspector said "whether or not you pull back the shroud is up to the supervisor". So I am sure there are still supervisors out there that were taught to pull back the Ematch shroud and have never learned that this is a cause of accidents. This link to the ERD Safety alert has been posted on this forum before but in the interest reducing injuries and deaths from display fireworks here it is again. www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nrcan.gc.ca/files/mineralsmetals/pdf/mms-smm/expl-expl/SA18-02E_ACC.pdfWe also need to spread the knowledge to get away from display fireworks when you light them by hand. If all supervisors were not close to display fireworks them when they fire we could make display fireworks use much safer. |
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Post by aaron1977 on Aug 23, 2019 22:22:03 GMT -5
It’s way more fun to fire display shells electronically then by hand!!! Actually get to watch the show, and there’s no point being dangerous with new technology👍
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Post by Aussie on Aug 24, 2019 9:56:26 GMT -5
The Niagara accident last year was in part because of the removal of the shroud
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Post by pyrot on Feb 29, 2020 11:23:12 GMT -5
In Canada, unless you are a licensed shooter through the ERD you should only be using Talons Canadian retailers should be requesting an auth to purchase or a mag # if they are selling to you There are consumer e matches in the USA designed for the retail market but I’m unaware if they are legal up here The Chinese ematches sold through eBay, Ali express etc are not authorized products. Dave YES This exactly !!!!!! Personally I would be very "wary' of those e-matches, and I sure wouldn't try to order more ! best case scenario is: you order them and receive them. Most likely scenario is : you order them, and they get confiscated when going through customs - leaving you out your money. Second most worst case scenario is: you order them, they get confiscated at customs and you get charged for trying to import un-authorised explosive devices, and for importing explosive devices without proper licenses and permits. Absolute worst case scenario is: you order them, receive them, and when you use them they malfunction catastrophically causing damage, injury ..... etc. Are you willing to take those risks? |
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Post by londonfan on Feb 29, 2020 19:52:27 GMT -5
Pyrot: I love (seriously) your comment here. You sound like me complaining about general on-line sales.
(I work in retail consumer electronics and constantly tell people that you really don't know what you're getting into when not purchasing from an authorized Canadian dealer.)
Thanks to all for the advice on this matter. When I received the e-matches with the remote, I wasn't even sure what they were. There were no instructions included on proper use, and it wasn't until I went searching the web that I found out what they were.
I was surprised they came through the border.
You are quite correct on the risks, and I had planned on destroying them for disposal as soon as it is warm enough outside to power them up far enough away from anything flammable. For now they are safely stored.
I am a Canada Day warrior, and the answers that I received to my question, from trained pros, have a lot of value to a very interested amateur who wants to have as much safe fun as possible.
Thanks guys
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Post by pyrot on Mar 7, 2020 23:11:20 GMT -5
I'm glad you took it the right way !!!! I wasn't trying to be mean, or offensive in any way - just straight forward.
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Post by smile on Nov 2, 2020 20:16:37 GMT -5
To be more clear... View AttachmentThis is the remote system that my nephew ordered from China for me. It came with 12 e-matches with 1ft. leads. So did you try this firing system out again during Halloween? ~$40 bucks for 12 cues sounds pretty good to me! All I’d need then is a bunch of talons and my once a year show is good to go! |
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Post by londonfan on Nov 3, 2020 6:52:48 GMT -5
I used it during my 2020 Canada Day fun. (we can't do Halloween fireworks here)
It works well.
It takes fewer batteries than my old RC-150 from rocket, and may not be built as well, but Rocket is also not selling that style anymore. Everyone seems to be going to the Firefly system for consumer grade systems.
Powerhouse had a similar remote. It costs more but you are then supporting a Canadian retailer. Knowing the guys there, it probably doesn't come with the illegal imported e-matches.
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Post by smile on Nov 3, 2020 15:40:56 GMT -5
Great thanks for that information!
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